2016-09-13
Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan9:55 PM

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Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan9:55 PM

@Jon Coonan set the channel purpose: Slack management / help

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman9:55 PM

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Clio Batali
Clio Batali9:55 PM

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Enrique Chee
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Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan9:55 PM

Here we go

Clio Batali
Clio Batali9:55 PM

Much better

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman9:55 PM

I like it

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan9:55 PM

I had to close the other one since the conversion to private is irreversible

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan9:55 PM

Remember that one

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee9:56 PM

How do you transfer past messages or conversations from one channel to another ?

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan9:56 PM

Cannot, sadly

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman9:56 PM

the "share message" button allows you to repost it

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee9:57 PM

(RTO) Remember that one

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman9:57 PM

but as far as I know we can't efficiently transfer them all

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan9:57 PM

You can export a channel to a file and then share the file

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan9:57 PM

But it is not the same

Clio Batali
Clio Batali9:58 PM

Or just copy a part of the conversation to file

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee9:58 PM

So lets try to figure out all the channels we need and which one are # and private

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan9:58 PM

So right now there are 10 channels that we use

Clio Batali
Clio Batali9:58 PM

I think it’s clear that the main subteams should be public

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman9:59 PM

what will the #strategy channel be used for?

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan9:59 PM

There is the mentors channel which I can't see but am assuming exists

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan9:59 PM

@Alex Larson Freeman probably discussing the game and general strategy

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:00 PM

so I guess it's reasonable for that one to be public? just to throw ideas around?

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:00 PM

Yeah

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:00 PM

I think so

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:00 PM

Specifically for that I think

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:00 PM

alright, so that one can stay

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:00 PM

We could also tie the official feeds from FRC there (I forget how, but there is a way)

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:00 PM

oooh

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:01 PM

#engineering , #marketing , #programming and #slack-help should be public so anyone can catch up on the other subteams

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:01 PM

#slack-help for obvious reasons

James Slattery
James Slattery10:01 PM

Ya there is a mentors channel

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:01 PM

makes sense

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee10:01 PM

yes mentor channels exists

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:01 PM

Good

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:01 PM

Clio we can add an RSS feed via an addon

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:01 PM

Gotcha

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee10:01 PM

Did not see James respond

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:02 PM

Also we need to talk about addons

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:02 PM

I personally think we should use this https://spartronics.slack.com/apps/A0HBTUUPK--todo

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:02 PM

Agreed

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee10:03 PM

so my account shows i have 9 channels, but it only list 6 of them . why ?

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee10:03 PM

2 conversations going on now

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:03 PM

I'll switch back to here

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:04 PM

You have only "joined" 6 of the channels

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee10:04 PM

Ok, I figured it out . I did not join those channels.

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:05 PM

There is one thing we don't have

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:05 PM

a general chat for all team members

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:05 PM

Do we need that?

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:05 PM

Everyone should click that link I sent and read about the /todo plugin so we can test drive it

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:05 PM

not sure why we'd need it but it is missing

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:05 PM

It could get a little hectic

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:05 PM

exactly

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:06 PM

Yeah...

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:06 PM

read that as "very hectic"

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee10:06 PM

NO on general chat !!!

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee10:06 PM

Unless you can justify why we need it.

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:06 PM

again, no reason for it

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:06 PM

but someone may ask about it in the future

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee10:06 PM

Talk in person !!!

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:06 PM

I have a group chat from my summer that has 32 people in it and let me say that as a general rule having that many people communicating for no set purpose is a bad idea

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:07 PM

I'm with Coach on this one

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:07 PM

I agree

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:07 PM

Me too

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:07 PM

If people have questions, the subteam channels will be fine

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:07 PM

Plus this one

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:07 PM

otherwise use the DMs

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee10:07 PM

DMs ?

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:07 PM

If a student needs to pass a message to the entire team they can contact their subteam leaders to relay it to us or do it directly

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:07 PM

Direct Messages

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:07 PM

@Enrique Chee Direct Message

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee10:08 PM

So lets reflect on the last hr. Pros and con of slack ?

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:09 PM

Pro: quick data searching!

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:09 PM

and file sharing

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:09 PM

Pro: easy communication and communication organization

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:09 PM

Pro: addons

James Slattery
James Slattery10:09 PM

This active conversation would have been horrible on email this is fluid

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:09 PM

Also true

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:09 PM

con: easy communication can lead to cluttered chats though

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:10 PM

But only if not managed properlu

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:10 PM

*properly

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:10 PM

Which we can get better at as Admins

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:10 PM

Yes. By some measure, we’re not exactly talking about slack help right now

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:10 PM

Pro: pinned messages and chat management tools

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:10 PM

Pro: Markdown text files for easy data management

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:10 PM

Con: learning curve

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:11 PM

ehh

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:11 PM

Pro: brief learning curve

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:11 PM

^^

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:11 PM

Con: we need to teach people. and by we I mean James and Jon

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:11 PM

Pro: easy to ask the gurus for help… and reference these questions later

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:12 PM

… by searching the thread!

James Slattery
James Slattery10:12 PM

Pro I can make my phone,laptop,watch,and more freak out if someone types something (aka super customized notifications)

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:12 PM

true

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:12 PM

Pro: notifications are instant compared to minimum 15 minute ping for email

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:13 PM

Con: deluge of information if a public conversation was missed

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:13 PM

that's a big one

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee10:13 PM

SO lets say we have an attendance survey to share . Do I do by email or slack ?

James Slattery
James Slattery10:14 PM

I say put it in #C16U27D7Z

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:14 PM

We can get a number from slack, IDK about specific emails. James?

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:14 PM

... once people know how to use Slack

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:14 PM

http://bit.ly/2b8fSOW also watch this

James Slattery
James Slattery10:14 PM

What do you mean number ?

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:15 PM

One number for attending one for not

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:15 PM

Like your "is slack boss" poll

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:15 PM

I vote we add /todo ASAP

James Slattery
James Slattery10:15 PM

No we still need google forms

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:15 PM

I agree with James

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:16 PM

We can still use google forms, but share using announcements

James Slattery
James Slattery10:16 PM

The spreadsheet functions triumph over slack polls

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:16 PM

google forms created Sheets

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:17 PM

anyways there isn't a spreadsheet-like feature for Slack polls?

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:17 PM

maybe an addon?

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee10:19 PM

I think todo app adds another learning task for folks . Think your mentors.

James Slattery
James Slattery10:20 PM

True

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:20 PM

Some mentors use Slack already at work (not all, but some)

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:21 PM

The todo is fairly easy to use, but I agree

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:21 PM

It adds to the learning curve and we should test run it first

James Slattery
James Slattery10:21 PM

Not to mention in an ideal world we would use it properly but odds are that instead of going to slack to add a task we will walk one room over and tell the person

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:21 PM

Also true

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:21 PM

Agreed

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:22 PM

yeah, maybe worry about slack's learning curve before messing with /todo?

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:22 PM

Or we could add /todo and try it out just with us?

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee10:22 PM

Also think students ! So , if I am a student who does not read email (my guess 15 %) , why should I read my slack stuff?

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:23 PM

It’s short

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:23 PM

Mostly

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:23 PM

It is totally optional, it can be installed and just idle until it is needed so we can play around without consequence

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:23 PM

it gives instant notifications like a social media app

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:23 PM

And it is faster, not to mention more chatter means more notifications which means more reminders

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:23 PM

unlike email where you check once in a while and might have many messages to go through

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:23 PM

Also email is dated enough that some kids just don't realize it's importance because they have not had to use it

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee10:23 PM

email gives instant notifications

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:24 PM

For some providers it does

Alex Larson Freeman
Alex Larson Freeman10:24 PM

not all though

Clio Batali
Clio Batali10:24 PM

Slack creates incentive to check frequently, and respond immediately (even if it’s only one or two words)

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:24 PM

Regardless the chatter and easiness to reply and lack of formality makes it more commonly checked

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee10:26 PM

It must be an easy night with no HW. I have slack in sleep mode after 10:30 pm

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:27 PM

Mine starts at 8, I need to fix that

James Slattery
James Slattery10:27 PM

They would only have to check the #C16U27D7Z for all the major things. Checking a channel you are in by default where it is just robotics news I feel is easier that managing a cluttered inbox

James Slattery
James Slattery10:28 PM

I think if we can get people excited to use this platform it can make checking the robotics news fun not like checking email which is a chore for some.

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan10:29 PM

Agreed

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee10:31 PM

James , lets get them excited about Slack !!

2016-09-14
James Slattery
James Slattery10:49 AM

@James Slattery set the channel topic: Questions about how to use Slack or talk about how to enhance / improve slack.

2016-09-17
Dana Batali
Dana Batali11:25 AM

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Dana Batali
Dana Batali11:25 AM

i would suggest you start a frc news channel and subscribe to the following rss feed..
This can be done with /feed subscribe url

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan1:53 PM

Done!

2016-09-21
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2016-09-27
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2016-10-16
Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan4:48 PM

@Enrique Chee When it comes to sharing files on slack, PDFs and pictures that are for situation use such as a screenshot of the website or sharing an idea drawn on the whiteboard are fine. Another good way is to make a "post" in slack (click the plus button next to the text field) and then fill that with information that needs to be referred to.

However, in the number of pictures exceeds 5 or so, or it is a video or other large file they should be shared another way. Marketing already uses a Google Drive folder Kevin made, however IDK if he would allow the rest of the team to use it. Google offers 100 gb of storage for less than 5 dollars a month, and Dropbox probably has a similar offer.

Slack only allows 5 gb of storage. so it is important we only use the file storage system for things that are needing to be referenced and discussed. We can also remove old and irrelevant files as they become irrelevant to help with this

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee4:51 PM

Thanks .

2016-10-19
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Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee10:23 PM

@James Slattery: thanks !!

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2016-11-01
Tom Wiggin
Tom Wiggin12:01 PM

team domain

Tom Wiggin
Tom Wiggin12:01 PM

what is it?

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan1:11 PM

He's referring to the slack domain.

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2016-11-04
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2016-11-05
Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee1:21 PM

What is the best way to repost or reshare a file in slack?

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan1:24 PM

You can share a file to multiple channels. Find the file then click on it. On your phone you use the 3 dots drop down to share it again to other channels

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee2:35 PM

Thanks for your prompt response !!

2016-11-06
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2016-11-12
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2017-01-18
Dana Batali
Dana Batali12:25 PM

slack to support threaded messaging (this helps to reduce clutter in a channel by collapsing a collection of related posts)... https://slackhq.com/threaded-messaging-comes-to-slack-417ffba054bd#.824bajlyu

(available in the next day or two)

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan12:34 PM

Thanks for sharing that Dana, it's going to be a big help for organizing our communications

Chris Rininger
Chris Rininger1:10 PM

About time :grinning: thanks

2017-01-19
Jack Stratton
Jack Stratton11:20 PM

you can use 'everyone', 'here', and 'channel' with @mentions to notify a bunch of people at once, but can you create groups like "@programmers" which you can mention to ping every programmer (not just everyone in #programming)?

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan11:30 PM

Not like Discord sadly. Best way to ping a group is to go to their channel and do @channel

Jack Stratton
Jack Stratton11:31 PM

yeah, but there's a ton of non-programmers in #programming (like the other channels)

Jack Stratton
Jack Stratton11:31 PM

ah well.

2017-01-20
Chris Rininger
Chris Rininger10:56 AM

I like the ability to create threads, but I'm not that crazy about the implementation because I'd like to see each full thread in the main channel frame with replies indented. I half wonder if it might be better to have an engineering channel for each robot module to compartmentalize those conversations, and then keep the current engineering channel for the overall robot and general topics.

Dana Batali
Dana Batali11:07 AM

hm - i'm not seeing an update yet on either my android phone nor my windows desktop. On which platforms are you able to thread?

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan11:22 AM

I can see it on all mine (windows Mac and android). On mobile you have to click the message to start a thread

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan11:24 AM

Also @Chris Rininger there are module channels now, go ahead and check them out! #agitator #launcher #intake #bumpers

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan11:24 AM

I’ll have Clio create a climber one too

Dana Batali
Dana Batali11:38 AM

what version number do you see on any of these devices?

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan11:39 AM

Android is 2.26.1

Dana Batali
Dana Batali11:40 AM

joncoonan: got it on my phone, thx!

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan11:41 AM

Issue resolved then!

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan11:41 AM

Dana Batali
Dana Batali11:42 AM

Not on my Windows desktop... There it reads v 2.4.1

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan11:42 AM

@Chris Rininger I think you can have the messages go into the main channel but indented by checking the “Also send to #channel” box. Go ahead and try it

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan11:42 AM

Can’t help you with Windows at the moment, but I know it was working on mine yesterday

Chris Rininger
Chris Rininger11:49 AM

My comment was based on the blog post overview - had not tried threading yet, and like Dana it seems like I don't have the updated version yet that enables threading. Instructions say hover over message to reply by starting a thread, but i don't see it yet.

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan11:51 AM

Here is what you should see - if not, then the update has not hit yet

Dana Batali
Dana Batali11:57 AM

chrisrin: i now see the option to create a thread on windows... I did re-install but the verson number is still the same 2.4.1. So either i missed the option or they forgot to bump the version number.

Dana Batali
Dana Batali11:58 AM

joncoonan: dp you not know how to create new channels?

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan11:59 AM

No I just would need to look up who needs to be in each one

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan12:00 PM

I created all the basic subteam channels way back in September

2017-09-29
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2017-10-16
Dana Batali
Dana Batali9:53 AM

@Jon Coonan: can you remind me how we can get message threading to work? (did you disable this feature or am I just spacing on the magic incantation)

Jon Coonan
Jon Coonan9:54 AM

On mobile, tap the message then tap "start thread". On desktop, there is a little chat icon when you hover over a message that when clicked starts a thread

Dana Batali
Dana Batali9:55 AM

got it! definitely fell into the space plus magic category tx!

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2017-11-05
Dana Batali
Dana Batali12:45 PM

hmm i hadn't realized we were already "falling off the edge"

2018-01-15
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2018-07-13
Dana Batali
Dana Batali7:32 AM

@Cruz Strom @Enrique Chee @Declan Freeman-Gleason, @Kenneth Wiersema

we're currently well past the limit of messages on slack . We're also near the disk-space limit... (this means that our institutional memory is falling off a cliff).

I just saw this new announcement re: Microsoft Teams:

https://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2018/07/12/microsoft-teams-new-free-plan-looks-like-a-better-deal-than-slacks/

With our mentor connections at microsoft (@Chris Rininger), perhaps this is a good time to look at migrating off slack? One might even imagine a special deal where all limitations are relaxed. For me the "requirements" would include: integration with github and google docs, possibly trello.

Enrique Chee
Enrique Chee9:56 AM

Thank you @Dana Batali . I saw this also this morning and was thinking the same . Captains and mentors please research , if we switch we will start in September. Maybe one if the captains can test it over the summer.

Chris Rininger
Chris Rininger12:29 PM

I believe as an academic/nonprofit we could even get the full version of Teams. I have resisted suggesting it because it has a lot of parts to it that (initially at least) make it less intuitive to use than Slack. Plus the school seems like a Google-centric place, and I have been hesitant to suggest Microsoft anything because it would not be congruent. Facebook also has a free workgroup thing. Re: Teams, why don’t we try & see how we like it... We could set up channels for summer projects maybe?

Dana Batali
Dana Batali12:44 PM

@Chris Rininger: do you know if there is a phone app for teams on ios and android? (i'll poke around later if you don't know the answer to this)

2018-10-24
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